Questions Received at the August 18, 2008 Public Education Session

 

LEGAL

1.      Can you cite (identify) any specific locale in the town of OS that presently pollutes OS waters? Any septic system that does not meet the public health code installation criteria is considered polluting the groundwater (see maps for examples). For example, if there is less than 2 feet to groundwater, there is not enough soil depth for biological action to take place. 

 

2.      Why do we need a wastewater management district?  Why cannot our WPCA direct this process without adding another level of bureaucracy?  State legislation was adopted in 2003 providing for the formation of Wastewater Management Districts (WWMD).  The WWMD additions to the Connecticut General Statutes (Chapter 103, Sections 7-245 to 7-249a) provide a mechanism for municipal Water Pollution Control Authorities (WPCAs) to manage decentralized wastewater programs and allow for adoption of standards for on-site systems that may differ from the current Public Health Code (PHC), including use of advanced treatment systems.

 

3.      Why are the areas of Fenwick (waterfront), Knollwood (waterfront), and North Cove (waterfront) exempt?  These areas are not exempt.  They are not part of the initial program (as defined by the DEP), but there is nothing to preclude expansion after the initial program is in place.  The DEP refused to allow the Town to change the boundaries during the final mediation.  However, please note that the Special Act of the State Legislature that established the Borough of Fenwick in the 1890's includes their Charter gives the Borough the authority to control their sewage treatment (not the Town of Old Saybrook).

 

4.      Is this just phase 1? The WWMD and scope of the upgrade program is required to complete the requirements of the Stipulated Judgment and Mediation Settlement with the State.  The WWMD that will be created by the proposed ordinance specifically identifies 15 areas. After the requirements of the current upgrade program are completed, the WWMD will be managed by the local WPCA who will control any needed expansions in the program.  Any further extension of the WWMD boundaries will require a revision to the ordinance.  Otherwise, there is no authorizing legislation to enforce compliance with any WPCA order to upgrade other than the currently identified 15 areas.

 

5.      Why does Saybrook Acres come into this? Why Fenwood, a planned community with appropriate lots, systems etc.? Why not Knollwood? Both on tidal marshes.  The original areas were first based upon septic repair records, proximity to shore lands, depth to groundwater, and an assessment by the Town Sanitarian, amongst other criteria. Saybrook Acres was apparently included due to these considerations.

 

6.      Knollwood and Fenwick areas were not mentioned.  Why? WPCA members live there?  All the other beaches made the list.  Not all beaches are part of the current Upgrade Program.  None of the current WPCA members live in Knollwood or Fenwick.  See Questions 3 and 5.

 

7.      Why is the solution focused only on the 5 areas?  Why is a town-wide approach not being considered?  There are 15 neighborhoods included in the Wastewater Management District (not 5).  See Questions 4 and 5.

 

8.      How soon will other areas be affected?  Current upgrade program is estimated to be completed in 2017. Other areas may not be affected until after completion of the current plan.  See Question 5 for explanation of how the WWMD is defined.

 

9.      Will the DEP be satisfied with 100% compliance from the 15 neighborhoods or will that just kick in phase 2?  (Basically converting 100% of town over time, making a treatment plant MUCH more desirable.)  The court order does not allow DEP to change anything unilaterally.  After the Stipulation Order has been satisfied, the management of the WWMD resides with the Town of Old Saybrook’s WPCA, not the DEP. A central wastewater treatment plant and sewers is not more desirable.  Estimated cost for a wastewater treatment plant and sewers to serve 2500 properties is $71 million.  It would cost many more millions to “sewer” the whole town.  Adding properties to the decentralized program over time would still cost much less than a central plant and sewers.  Keep in mind that properties in many areas of Town may have larger lots, less density, better depth to groundwater, and may not abut surface water, etc.  Thus they likely will not require upgrades if they have a Public Health Code compliant system.  See Question 5 for explanation of how the WWMD was defined.

 

10.  Would the decentralized system offset the permanent installation of sewers to a centralized system and if not, for how long?  The Decentralized Wastewater Management District is considered a long-term (permanent) method of addressing wastewater issues by both the OSWPCA and CT DEP.

 

11.  When will vote take place? Vote on the establishment of the WWMD and upgrade program will be held during the summer of 2009.  Will seasonal owners be allowed to vote? Non-registered voters? Any individual who owns at least $1000 worth of property in the Town of Old Saybrook is eligible to vote. 

 

12.  Of all the shoreline towns, why was Old Saybrook targeted for suit by the State first?  Old Saybrook voted down the Tri-town sewer system in 1989, while under a DEP pollution abatement order.  The Town took no other action to modify the project, propose an alternative solution, and bring it before the voters after the 1989 referendum.  The non-compliance with a DEP order, combined with no good-faith effort on the part of the town to find alternative solutions, led to DEP suing the town in 1990.  With regard to the other shoreline towns, both Clinton and Westbrook are under DEP orders, have contracts with environmental consultants, and are pursuing solutions to their wastewater issues.  Old Lyme is currently installing sewers (to the New London treatment plant via East Lyme.)  Madison and Guilford are “waiting in the wings” due in part to DEP staffing limitations.

 

WASTEWATER FACILITIES PLAN - UPGRADE PROGRAM

 

13.  Where do we find maps of individual areas? Maps of the WWMD areas are available at Town Hall, on the internet:  www.oswpca.org, and at the Acton Library (Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan)

 

14.  Which neighborhood will be implemented first?  Saybrook Acres

 

15.  Will groundwater samples be required?  Groundwater samples for determining the type of upgrade needed on a particular lot will generally NOT be required.  Periodic groundwater sample analyses after installation will not be required either.

 

16.  How do these properties get tested? Who does it?  What does it entail?   Properties within the WWMD will be subject to evaluation during the Research Phase of the Wastewater Facilities Plan.  Paraphrased from section 7.2.1 of the Wastewater Facilities Plan:  The research, which will include a review of Town records, and in most cases, test pits, will be used to determine if the existing septic systems meet the requirements of the Upgrade Program Standards. If not, the Town’s engineer will determine what is needed to meet the Upgrade Program Standards (or if an AT system is needed).  The homeowner will then be notified in writing of what needs to be done to meet the upgrade standards.

 

17.  Does it make sense to have onsite testing on all properties?  Onsite testing will be determined by the Town’s engineer during the Research Phase.  Please see Question No. 16.

 

18.  If this is truly being done on a “lot by lot” basis doesn’t it stand to reason that a seasonal home (where the water is shut off from Nov. to April) would be fine with a reasonably new septic system?  As it is only being used 6 months of the year. All septic systems are sized based on the number of bedrooms … not average annual flow (annual usage).  Septic systems have to be sized to handle the amount of wastewater during peak usage.

 

19.  How do we estimate or plan for our property? Look at maps for preliminary assessment. Maps of the WWMD areas are available at Town Hall, on the internet:  www.oswpca.org, and at the Acton Library (Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan). An update to these maps is currently underway and expected completion is spring 2009. Specific details won’t be available for your property until the research phase.  Refer to question 16.

 

20.  Can an owner get a second opinion on the onsite solutions?  Yes, but the solution will be subject to WPCA and/or Health Dept. approval.

 

21.  Would a home built 2 years ago (2006) and the septic system approved by the Town of O.S. be in compliance with the Plan’s Standards?  A house in 2006 would meet the Public Health Code standards – the only exception to the WPCA requirements would be if the property were waterfront.

 

22.  Our lot has greater than 2/3 the required leach area.  Will we only need to increase the leach area? And by how much? Each non-waterfront property in the 15 areas must meet the public health code’s (PHC) minimum standards.  Improvements are required on all properties to meet those standards, or to come as close as possible given the property’s physical constraints.  If the property cannot meet even 2/3 of the PHC, then alternative technology or offsite treatment will be required.

 

23.  If I am in a waterfront property that has not been designated WWMD area, how do I find out if my current system is acceptable?  If you are on a waterfront property NOT in WWMD, your current system is by default acceptable at this time.

 

24.  Information specific to the types of upgrades has been a long time in coming.  Let’s get the needed information out there since this has to be done.  What choices will be available?  The types of upgrades and potential choices would be determined during the research phase and will be tailored to each property.  See Questions 16 and 22 and the Wastewater Facilities Plan (available at the Acton Library) for more detail.

 

25.  What do I have to do to update my system, when, and what it would cost?  Refer to question #22.

 

26.  How is a particular system evaluated to determine if polluting beyond standards?  Meadowood lots are large enough to support conventional septic systems!!!! So why is Meadowood included in this project?  Physical size is only one parameter of the evaluation.  Meadowood lots may be large enough to meet PHC, but may not have adequate soils or depth to groundwater to properly treat wastewater.

 

27.  Should someone put a system upgrade in now or wait for referendum?  Some upgrades can be done before referendum.  For example, steel tanks, cess pool removal on a non-waterfront site or conventional septic system installation.  Others who may be subject to AT systems should wait because the permitting process for these systems is not in place yet.  This should be discussed with the Health District (CRADH) located in the old theater building on Main St. for requirements on your particular situation.

 

28.  If we upgrade now are we eligible for a grant?  No, the process for upgrade financing is not in place yet.  However, if you qualify as a low-income owner, money is available for repairs to current septic systems through the social services located at the Youth and Family Services office next to the Fire House on Main Street.

 

29.  I had RJ Dibble install 2 10x10 drywells on my property in the mid 1980s.  The Town authorities suggested this instead of a leaching field.  My property is built on original sand and is above sea level.  If the map on the web indicates I must remove the dry well to put in a leaching field is the Town going to pay for this removal and replacement?  3 people live in this house in Meadowood.  The standards for septic systems may have changed since the ‘80s and each property owner in the WWMD will be responsible to meet the new standards.

 

30.  Decentralized – What if it doesn’t work? Like many bureaucratic undertakings that have failed.  Who pays?  We have great confidence that it will work based on many other communities across the country who have been using this approach for more than 20 years.

 

31.  What happens if the decentralized approach is not effective?  Will individual families have to change their systems more than once?  Unlikely, because proven elsewhere for more than 20 years. 

 

32.  Will the town be upgrading the stormwater system in conjunction with this project?  Our home is not represented on the town map.  Will we be affected?  How does this affect us?  Will there be a later phase that includes our home?  Stormwater management is not part of the Draft Facilities Plan at this time, but may be part of the WPCA’s purview in the future.  The BOS and Town Planner will be reviewing the infrastructure to coincide with implementation of the Decentralized Wastewater Management Program.

 

33.  Why was the decision made that this should be individual homeowner problem solution instead of a community solution? After the central sewage treatment plant with sewers referendum failed in 1989, the Town evaluated a number of other options. The rationale for recommending a decentralized program vs. a central sewage treatment plant with sewers is described in detail in Section 8 of the Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan available at the Acton Library.

 

34.  Is this the best solution (individual wastewater treatment) for the “Sound” as opposed to a large-scale, state of the art treatment facility, like the one in Stamford CT?  Either a centralized or decentralized approach can be implemented which would protect Long Island Sound.  The engineering report evaluated what the better solution was for Old Saybrook, given the available approaches and technologies, and recommended a decentralized approach.

 

35.  How is the decentralized approach a better long-term solution than a central wastewater treatment plant when it only involves 1900 homes? Please refer to the evaluation that can be found in the Draft Wastewater Facility Plan Section 8 and available at the Acton Library.

 

36.  Does this system (decentralized) open up the explosion of high rises (hotels etc.) in the area?  A Decentralized Program as proposed should not affect the number of high rises or hotels in our Town.  The Town Zoning Board determines where hotels may be built and what the requirements are.  In addition, upgrade standards do not apply to new construction or systems that are larger than 5000 gallons per day discharge.

 

37.  In some of the locations in affected areas there are storm water drains that have not been maintained or upgraded by the town for many years.  If they could be maintained it would relieve a lot of drainage problems which would enable property to leach.   Problems associated with ability to install a proper leaching system will be addressed during the Research phase of the Upgrade Program on a lot-by-lot basis.

 

38.  Why is Fenwick not shown on maps?  Only the areas currently part of the proposed Wastewater Management District and current upgrade program are shown on the maps.

 

39.  In what order will neighborhoods be addressed?  The Mediation Results document, Appendix E of the Draft Facilities Plan, lists seven groups of neighborhoods in the following order:  Group 1: Saybrook Acres, Group 2: Saybrook Point, Oyster River East, and Thompson, Group 3: Plum Bank, Great Hammock, and Indiantown, Group 4:  Chalker Beach and Meadowood, Group 5: Cornfield Point, Group 6: Saybrook Manor, Cornfield Park, Ingham Hill, Group 7: Maple Ave. North and Fenwood.

 

ADVANCED TREATMENT SYSTEMS

 

40.  If the ATS fails causing property damage where does the homeowner find restitution?  Sue the Town? The Dep? Both?  The WPCA?  Same as if your septic system fails.  Check your homeowner’s insurance.  Proper maintenance and a service contract (like your oil burner) will reduce the possibility of failures.

 

41.  Will the Town stand behind these new systems and guarantee them for 20 years?  The manufacturer may warranty the components of an AT system.  The town does not guarantee any septic system.  See Question 40.

 

42.  With new decentralized system – what happens with power failure?  Many systems that require power (for example, AT systems) have capacity to hold the wastewater during a power failure for several days until power is restored.

 

43.  What if you don’t have a large enough lot to accommodate the ATS leaching system?  Where would the occupants park their cars?  ATS leaching systems can be very compact compared to conventional leaching fields and there are many options for compact leaching systems and how they can be sited.  What is best for your site will be determined during the Research Phase of the program on a lot-by-lot basis by a qualified engineer.

 

44.  What happens if there is not enough room on the lot to install an AT system?  The best feasible solution that meets our obligations under the upgrade program will be recommended.  In the rare instances where there is no method of installing an onsite solution, off-site solutions will be evaluated.

 

45.  Will Soil Air systems be acceptable for advanced treatment?  Approved systems have not been selected yet.

 

46.  What happens if ATS does not meet discharge requirements?  ATS designs that will be chosen will have demonstrated ability to meet its discharge requirements when installed and operated properly.  Many will have been certified by a testing organization like the National Sanitation Foundation (NSF).  ATS will have alarms that are monitored by the Town.  If a system malfunctions, the homeowner will be notified so that a service call can be initiated.  Some components of a system may also be warranteed by the manufacturer.

 

47.  Do these systems release an odor?  No systems release an odor if operating properly.

 

48.  Who will compensate me for loss of value to my home with this new eyesore on my property?  There is no loss of value associated with AT system installation.  Depending on the design of the system, almost all of the components will be underground with grass covered access covers similar to a conventional septic system.

 

49.  What are the parameters for ATS?  Property owners who are in need of ATS can SoilAir technology be acceptable?  Approved ATS has not been developed yet.

 

50.  What systems have been approved?  The conventional septic system with leaching field is the only approved system for homeowners at this time.

 

51.  Will the property owner have choices over the type of ATS?  Yes, among the approved selection.

 

52.  We are planning to put in a patio in the back yard – how much yard will need to be torn up?  We are in the “red” zone! This cannot be determined this until the property is evaluated during the research phase.  See Question 16 for a brief description of the process.

 

FINANCING AND COSTS

 

53.  The “Town” will monitor and maintain the AT systems and bear 100% of the administration, enforcement and monitoring.  How many homeowners will be included in this town service and how much will it cost the other homeowners/taxpayers who are not included in this and who have very expensive systems which the town does not pay any part of but none-the-less demand?  Property owners will be required to pay for operation and maintenance of their on-site systems, with the exception that the Town will cover the costs of remote monitoring and program management.  Remote monitoring will be for all AT systems (500 properties estimated).  Program management will include all properties through the current pump-out program.

 

54.  Does the maintenance-cleaning servicing or replacement of related mechanical or other equipment of leaching systems, septic tank, or other component of a sewage treatment plant to preserve its intended level of operation mean that the town pays for 100% of the maintenance service at taxpayer expense and for just the new AT system and anyone else who have expensive systems to maintain?  What will the remote monitoring consist of – cost?  Town (taxpayers) would NOT pay the operating costs of a Wastewater Treatment Plant.  State and federal regulations require that the users of the system pay for 100% of the operating and maintenance costs of such systems.  Town taxpayers would pay 100% of administration of WWMD and ATS monitoring.  Cost of implementing a remote monitoring system is estimated at $150,000 to be shared by all taxpayers.

 

55.  The Town has a surplus. Why must homeowners pay anything at all? State or Town should pay for upgrade in full.  As with a homeowner’s current septic system, it is the property of the homeowner and purchased with the home, it services the individual property and is maintained by the homeowner.  See Question 54 for what portion is being covered by the State and Town resources.

 

56.  Why are a few (1900) residents paying for a solution that involves the whole town?  All taxpayers are paying for the administration and monitoring.

 

57.  How does a senior on a fixed income pay for all of this? Low income homeowners may apply for assistance through Social Services.  Low interest loans will also be available.

 

58.  Your figures for cost are way off!  If AT systems are $28,000 why use $10,000?  You state value of property will be increased.  How!!  If sewers why not for whole town – not just for south of Route 1 – more people would be sharing cost!! The costs of AT systems have a wide range depending on what is needed for a particular property, size, etc.  Please refer to the Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan Sections 7 and 8 (available at the Acton Library) for detailed explanation of the cost analysis and the evaluation of alternatives.

 

59.  Is CT funding any part of this mandate?  How much?  25% grant is expected from the Clean Water Fund.

 

60.        Is grant $ also available for treatment plant?  For treatment plant, Clean Water Funds are applicable.

 

OTHER

 

61.  I am very much in support of the individual evaluation of the systems in OS. I feel that bulk treatment plants are vulnerable to “run-off” during periods of heavy rain and/or snow.  Are there any studies that have been done or are planned that could show the impact of runoff from such towns as Hartford, Middletown, and Springfield into the river and ultimately into the Sound?  Older cities across the country use what is referred to as “Combined Sewer Systems,” that is, both sewage and storm water are conveyed in the same pipes.  Historically, when these cities were developing, the level of treatment was minimal.  The intent was simply to move the sewage to the nearest water body.  This was considered an acceptable practice in the late 19th and early 20th century.  Since the Federal Clean Water Act was passed, cities such as Hartford, New Haven, Bridgeport, and Middletown have spent millions to separate storm flow from the sewer system.  Hartford recently passed a $1.8 billion referendum to address these issues, and other “old” cities are facing similar costs.  Newer sewer systems, which are not designed to convey storm water, are generally far less sensitive to rain and snow melt impacting the flows in their treatment plants.

 

62.  Is it true that Hartford opens their sewage treatment plant and sends raw sewage down the CT River when there is a heavy rain?  What is the sludge that comes in on our beaches after rains in towns above us on the CT River?  i.e.: HartfordMiddletown.  As a point of clarification, the overflows that occur, called combined sewer overflows, happen along sewer lines, not at the treatment plant.  It is still raw sewage that is discharged to the rivers, however.

 

63.  Once sewers are installed in the so called summer/beach cottages the whole town will also have to have sewers – so what are we waiting for? The proposed upgrade program does not call for installing sewers.

 

64.  What are the long term consequences (15-20 years) to the town of not addressing this problem as a town-wide basis? The current plan takes us to 2017 which addresses the DEP’s designated “problem areas”.  Plan may be expanded to other “problem areas” as needed and determined by the OSWPCA. Any expansion of the WWMD will require a change in the enabling ordinance that establishes the WWMD.

 

65.  Need hard copies of financial costs and owner costs to finance.  Also project schedule.  Hard copies of the costs, etc. can be made from the Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan available at the Acton Library.

 

66.  Would like to be notified in writing of the correct classification of my property. (5 Fenwood Pkwy) Maps are in the process of being corrected and updated with currently available information.  However, final determination will take place during the Research Phase of the upgrade program when each homeowner within the WWMD will be notified in writing.  See Question 16 for details of the research phase.

 

67.  What is being done about the overflow sewage from Towns north of us and being brought downriver on barges to be dumped in the sound near our coastline?  Refer to #61.

 

68.  Can I obtain:  1. Purchase of Facilities Plan (Draft) 2. Written description of potential financing     policy and who will administer?  3.  Financial Impact on other Town taxpayers not involved in this program – written statement.  Written info for all three requests is in the Draft Wastewater Facilities Plan which can be copied at the Acton Library.

 

69.  Has the Town of OS determined the areas the State of CT tested for pollution?  Have other than beach areas been tested if they are near brooks, rivers, or wetlands? Beginning in 1996, the WPCA began sampling groundwater from as many as 80 monitoring wells installed in most of the subject areas. Wells were located near the beaches; adjacent to marshlands; near known septic systems; near relatively undeveloped areas; and adjacent to seasonal and year-round properties – the idea being to identify as many factors contributing to the issue as possible. The State did not install or monitor any wells.

 

                 70.  My home is considered seasonal.  I would be more than willing to upgrade the septic system if I would then become a year-round resident.  It does not seem fair to have to take on this expense without an upgrade to a year-round resident.  My current system is new and more than adequate for the 12 weeks of use per year.  I pay the same tax rate as other citizens.  What are these other requirements that the Q & A page says the BOS and Town Board members will address?  Regarding seasonal conversions, the Code of the Town of Old Saybrook (Ordinances) contains what was previously referred to as Ordinance 62 – Winterization of Seasonal Properties. There are several factors listed in this section, sewage disposal being only one of them. Other factors that must be considered to re-classify a property include: compliance with Zoning Regulations; compliance with Flood Plain Regulations; and suitability of the structure with regard to wiring; heating system, insulation and plumbing. Upgrading the septic system is only one part of this process.

 

70.  Will OS Wetland Commission have control in the 50’ upland review area?  Many of the WWMD properties are adjacent to tidal wetlands which are regulated by the Zoning Commission. Some properties are adjacent to inland wetlands which are regulated by the Inland Wetlands Commission. Discussions will be held with both Commissions to determine how to address the WPCA concerns as well as the wetlands protection issues.

 

71.  Why is dry well removal and replacement with new leaching system mandatory in Meadowood but not in Saybrook Acres which has more flooding of basements judging by sump pump hoses readily available?  Leaching chambers over four feet in depth will not be allowed as part of the WWMD upgrades. Most drywells are 7 or 8 feet in depth, therefore, they would not be allowed anywhere in the WWMD (not just Meadowood).

 

72. What is considered an undersized septic tank? The current Public Health Code

requires a 1000 gallon tank for a 2 or 3 bedroom house; a 1250 gallon tank for 4 bedrooms; and a 1500 gallon tank for 5 bedrooms. Houses constructed in the 1950s and 1960s generally have 750 gallon tanks for a 2 bedroom house and 900 gallon tanks for 3 bedroom house – most of these are single compartment tanks. The proposed upgrade standards require a two compartment septic tank as these provide better separation and treatment than single compartment tanks.

 

72.  If a Lot is conforming, (white) on the WWMD map; what will future requirements be to do a 2 bedroom increase, from 3 to 5?  The Technical Standards of the Public Health Code is the basic reference document defining septic system sizing and is utilized in the WWMD plan. Increasing the property from 3 to 5 bedrooms does require now (and will subsequently require) an upsizing of the septic system for the increase loading.

 

73.  The First Selectman talked about “full use” of our property.  Yet season property will not automatically be upgraded to full residency.  Why is the septic upgrade not an automatic upgrade to full residency?  There cannot be an automatic upgrade to year-round status because there are many more requirements that need to be met besides septic upgrades.  See Ordinance 62 in the Town Code for all the requirements.